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Post by fossn on Jul 24, 2014 15:52:22 GMT
It is time to end the most elitist, divisive institution in this country.
we must revert to a republic.
oliver Cromwell stabbed the people in the back at the end of the civil war which was really a revolution.
the Levellers were brutally repressed and the opportunity to become a democratic, open, state with govt of the people by the people snatched away by Cromwell the self serving turncoat.
lets return to the debate of the 17th century and get rid of the monarchy. It is an antithesis to real democracy and people power.
i would be perfectly happy to abide by a referendum of the electorate following an open and honest national debate where any claims by vested interests are subject to proper referencing and scrutiny. Bland statements like ' they create value through increased tourism' do not count.
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Post by hairyloon on Aug 4, 2014 2:18:09 GMT
It is time to end the most elitist, divisive institution in this country. we must revert to a republic. No. They are more useful on the international stage than any politician, they are better value than any premier league footballer and they are more entertaining than eastenders. Is it? In what way has the monarchy interfered with what passes for democracy? Perhaps she has influenced it but is it a bad thing to have some influence at the top that can see beyond the next election? |
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Post by fossn on Aug 5, 2014 6:57:27 GMT
I'm sorry but your reply doesn't present any real reason to keep them.
You just make bland statements re my first post.
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Post by hairyloon on Aug 10, 2014 20:15:38 GMT
I'm sorry but your reply doesn't present any real reason to keep them. You are the one seeking change: you need to provide grounds for that change. We don't have the data to judge whether there is a net financial cost or gain, so the only real question on the table is power, of which she does not have a lot beyond what she has simply from having money and friends with money. On that count, we are probably better off as is since she does at least have to make a show of doing it for the benefit of the nation. But let us look at it from another angle. One power that I am told she has is that only the monarch can take us to war. Consider how your argument would pan out if she had not followed the wishes of our democratically elected warmonger, and we had not invaded Iraq... |
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Post by Parsley on Sept 26, 2014 19:55:19 GMT
I would call myself a republican as I believe the monarchy is an outdated institution and a complete waste of money. The truth is even if the monarchy goes, Buck House will still remain along with all the other buildings which will be completely open to the public .... so the potential for greater income. Crowds once flocked to watch beheadings at the Tower of London but now they flock to view the impressive building and the crown jewels etc. All of which would remain.
Nevertheless I am a realist, and I do not feel the country has the stomach to completely rid itself of the monarchy in one complete swoop (however much I would like to think it does). We need a referendum with a middle ground of a massively reduced Royal Family.
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Post by Phillip Badger on Oct 2, 2014 21:27:17 GMT
One thing that was always enticed me about the republican/monarchy debate is this:
If you abolish monarchy by popular demand, you will have to create an electable head of state. Who is to say that the monarchical family cannot run for this position? You could get the event where you are voting the former monarch to be president, and the monarch may actually gain executive powers in the process!
Just a thought!
PB
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Post by Parsley on Oct 3, 2014 22:14:01 GMT
One thing that was always enticed me about the republican/monarchy debate is this: If you abolish monarchy by popular demand, you will have to create an electable head of state. Who is to say that the monarchical family cannot run for this position? You could get the event where you are voting the former monarch to be president, and the monarch may actually gain executive powers in the process! Just a thought! PB This may well happen. But the hereditary head of state system will be brought to an end and whoever is head of state will be elected via the democratic process and not by birth right. |
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Post by pia on Feb 3, 2015 13:55:35 GMT
Can someone explain to me how can a graduate in archaeology and anthropology or a graduate in geography be qualified to be the head of this country?
If this is all it takes to be a politician and become a president then surely many other people could do that.
I think that British people are too scared of changes because there is no valid alternative yet to the current moral and political squalor where people do not really have a say. I was hoping that the Democratic Reform Party could start spreading the seeds for a constructive and progressive change. These changes include a valid constitution, the abolition of Medieval privileges still held by a restricted circle of people, a strong long for social equality.
If closing the enormous gap existing for centuries between the privileged class and the working class means changing also the way this country is lead, then I think we should definitely go for it and start harvesting the fruits of real Democracy. The people are missing on so much and they do not even realise it because they are fed with celebrity nonsense, soap operas and false scoops that only serve to distract them from the real problems.
I wish Politics was on the side of citizens. Can this Party really make a difference? If so, you have got another voter.
Thank you
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